**03/05/13 UPDATE BELOW**
I started Heteronormative Patriarchy for Men less than a year ago, and among the many nice messages and comments I’ve received have been several offers to host this blog on bigger and well-known sites. I’ve considered every invitation, and politely declined every invitation. Every offer has been flattering, but didn’t feel quite right at the time, for one reason or another.
Then a few weeks ago I was tentatively sounded out by a member of the Freethought Blogs stable. Automatic pilot kicked in and I began typing “well that’s a really kind offer but…” then realised I didn’t have any significant buts to hand.
Why was this invitation different? Well, oddly perhaps, it was firstly because FTB is not really a gender site. If you don’t know it, the site originates in the all-but unfathomable depths of the North American skeptics movement. You see, a long time ago there were atheists, rationalists and secularists and then they all got into an elevator together and someone did something and someone said “don’t do that” and everyone got cross and then someone said everyone was cross for no reason and that made everyone else crosser and VAGINA! and BULLIES! and DAWKINS! and ATHEISM PLUS! and fuck it, I really, really don’t care. What I do know is that somehow, out of all that, Freethought Blogs sprang into life.
I don’t care about the history, but I do care about the quality of the site. I like it. It’s clean and simple design-wise, The standard of the writing is excellent, and there are some astoundingly clever and rightly-acclaimed authors and academics sharing the space. It would be a genuine honour to be in their company. There is a broad shared philosophy of scepticism, atheism, secularism and social justice, all of which I’m comfortable with, although I don’t often blog on the first three. I have some profound disagreements with many of the bloggers and commenters there which could prove, well, interesting to explore, but I also hope I have enough common ground with all of them to do so in a constructive way.
Before you ask, yes, the site carries advertising and I will get a few quid (or dollars or drachma or sodding Bitcoins or something, I haven’t asked). I don’t do this blog for money, and I’m pretty confident I won’t start blogging “Your Top Ten Movie Blowjobs” lists seven times a week for the hits. The blog will remain unchanged, except for a few comically inappropriate Google ads popping up here and there. Advertising does make me feel grubby, I’ll admit, but I’m a journalist and know that pretty much every penny I earn comes from advertising somewhere down the line. It would be hypocritical to be purist now.
There is no editorial oversight at FTB. Nobody will approve or spike anything I want to write. I will have sole control of moderation policy (and indeed moderation) just as I do here. The same goes for all other blogs, which means I will share no responsibility if another blogger writes something grotesque, that is their business, not mine.
Above all, I decided to do this because I’m not sure where else this blog would really belong. It couldn’t live on a feminist site or a men’s rights site. I do not want to sign up to a shared mission statement or ideological aim. That would completely undermine what I try to do here, which is to consider gender issues without dogmatic or ideological constraint, to call the stories as I see them, and speak my mind because it is what I want to say, not because it is what someone wants to hear. What I’ve tried to create here is my own free thought blog. It may have found its home.
So, I think my mind is made up. But with the agreement of the people at FTB, I’m posting this before committing. If you, dear HetPat regulars of all flavours, can raise any convincing arguments why I shouldn’t move, well it is not too late. I’ll give it about 48 hours before the point of no return. And again, I really don’t want to hear about the thing so-and-so said to whasserface on October 13th 2009 that was OUTRAGEOUS MISOGYNISTIC SOCIOPATHIC MISANDRY REASONS. But if anyone has convincing evidence that FTB is a front organisation for the Masonic Illuminati or something like that, I’d love to see it. That shit is always funny.
Seriously, your thoughts? Would you mind? Would you still visit, read and comment? Do you, as I suspect, really not give a shit either way and you only found this blog because you Googled “Top Ten Movie Blowjobs”? Please let me know, below or by email privately and in confidence if you’d prefer. Thanks.
UPDATE 3/5/13
Thank you all for the comments and messages in response to this. Thank you for the messages of support and encouragement, thank you for the many queries and concerns you have raised, all of which I have considered. Thanks too for the many who said you’ll stick with this blog whether I stay or go. I’ve been genuinely touched by learning that so many of you actually care enough to have an opinion. I honestly didn’t expect so many carefully considered opinions.
As you’ve probably guessed, nobody has found the smoking gun linking FTB to Joseph Kony or the Russian Mafia, so I’ve now got back to FTB and confirmed I would like to accept their invitation, and will be moving shortly.
A few words to those who are less than happy about the move.
I’d like to reiterate that I will have total control of moderation, including bannings etc. Even if you have been banned from every other blog on FTB, you are free to comment on mine, on the exact same basis as before.
Spammers aside, in 11 months here, I have yet to ban a single commenter. Every single one of you who has commented here, whatever political, ideological or personal disagreements we may have had, has been welcomed here, and I am genuinely grateful for your contributions. You will continue to be welcomed at the new address. You will be able to bookmark my blog directly and completely ignore the rest of FTB, if that is what you want to do.
To those who worry that this blog will get sucked into the politicking and feuds of the skeptic/ Atheism+ scene, well, I share your concerns. I have talked it over with several people, and I’m confident enough that we can stay out of that. If it transpires I am wrong, and I really feel it is not working, I’m not cemented in. If the worst comes to the worst I’ll move on or move back.
For whoever wanted threading… it turns out I can turn threading on or off. (To Comment is Free regulars, I feel your pain.) I’ve yet to decide!
I’ll make my first post over there something of a housewarming party. You’re all guests of honour.
And finally, it will take a lot of considered research to establish the Top 10 Movie Blowjobs, but I’m pretty confident that Number 1 is enjoyed by Sid Vicious in the animated section of The Great Rock’N’Roll swindle.
Thanks again, and see you on the other side!
I’d suggest a good reason: complete creative control over everything you do. This is why I self-publish, because it means I don’t need to worry about representing anyone but myself.
Congrats, though. If you do it, you’ll probably bring a lot of good to the fold!
hi Stavvers. The one condition I had, and which I was absolutely clear about checking, double checking and triple checking, is there is no kind of editorial control of any sort. No editors, no oversight, it’s just a network of about 30 independent bloggers with a shared front page and shared ads.
It’s not just that the editors leave you in peace to do your thing, there literally are no editors. The only thing that could happen is someone can be “disinvited” if I start to throw around death threats or otherwise become exceptionally obnoxious. (and I’m already pretty obnoxious and they seem cool with that, so I think I might just get away with it)
I was a more worried about the kind of social conformity dynamics, whether I would have people charging in and demanding some kind of FTB party line on issues. I was reassured that it doesn’t happen, and have spent a few weeks watching blogs and threads closely, and haven’t seen any evidence of it.
So I think I’m fairly confident in saying it won’t in any way influence what I write, other than healthy organic feedback etc.
Congratulations! This sounds fun. Natalie Reed blogs there, no? She’s super good. Yay you!
Rebecca Watson was obviously in the right though.
Yep. Unfortanately Natalie has put that blog into hibernation or whatever now, which is a shame, but agree, she’s great.
I tried to reply to Natalie Reed before her blog went in hibernation.
She replied basically one small post that basically said misandry isn’t real and that MRAs need to stop infesting her blog.
You say
But my experience on 2 blogs there, including hers, is that you either swallow the feminist Kool-Aid unquestioned, or you’re evil.
Very strange for a skeptic, wouldn’t you say?
I was especially surprised that a trans woman skeptic had this unquestioned view that misandry doesn’t exist, gender privilege is unidirectional the way racial privilege is (ie female privilege doesn’t exist and cannot exist, sexism against men cannot be done due to lack of institutional power, etc).
I came to realize that feminist theory was wrong (in many ways at least) in large part due to having lived it “both ways”. This questioning was met with accusations of being retrograde, right-wing, anti-equality, anti-women, anti-feminist and someone who is basically for “the right of men to beat/rape their girlfriend and wives without any consequences”.
There is no room for skepticism within feminism apparently. Any true skeptic gets branded as an heretic who might be the equivalent of magic-users (the kind of ‘natural magic’ that Wiccans favor) being accused of communing with Satan and being Satanists.
Note that Satanism is a cult in itself, and has nothing to do with using magic. Or with being anti-Christian.
And yes, of course Rebecca Watson was in the right but SHHHHHHHHHHH! or they’ll be off again.
Go for it…we are all whores…and that is said with love 🙂
🙂
Congratulations!
I really enjoy reading your articles and have learned a lot.
I hope you get really popular and get to be on the radio and stuff, and then cash in with a book and get to appear on awkward teen panel shows and sigh exasperatedly on ‘The Big Questions’ with Nicky Campbell as Nick Ferrari or somebody says something crazy.
It will be interesting to see how the regular commenters on this blog meld with the freethought audience. I look forward to participating in many cordial and productive flamewars.
I’m not sure anybody came out of ‘elevatorgate’ looking like Andy Dufresne, and I am skeptical of many aspects of the atheist and skeptic community, but freethought seems a good fit for your views. Good luck!
I hope you get really popular and get to be on the radio and stuff, and then cash in with a book and get to appear on awkward teen panel shows and sigh exasperatedly on ‘The Big Questions’ with Nicky Campbell as Nick Ferrari or somebody says something crazy.
Shit, Code Blue! The secret masterplan has been leaked!
And thank you.
I’m delurking to say “please don’t.”
I am a big fan of your work. Gender discussion has become so polarised, so spiteful, so amplified by the megaphone of the internet that it seems like most participants have been driven into their rhetorical concrete bunkers, lobbing shells of high-explosive dogma at each other.
You. You are different. You’re not mean or spiteful, but there’s a basic dignity of the person that seems to underly your writing, and you’re not afraid to call people out for infringing on it, whether they do so in the same of conservatism, liberalism, feminism or whatever.
So, back to FTB. I had high hopes for the site, but the fact is that when it comes to dealing with gender issues their record has been abysmal. Basic rational discourse disappears and we’re left with just-so stories and calling people misogynists.
I am also deeply concerned about the abusive and vicious dogpiling that goes on unchecked in the comment threads at FTB. It is mainly because of this I no longer read the writers there. In accordance with your wishes I won’t name the perpetrators, but some of the victims of this sort of treatment are people like Paula Kirby and Harriet Hall who have, quite frankly, got the runs on the board when it comes to “good works.” And what about poor old thunderf00t? The guy is a bit of a jackass, but I don’t think he deserved the treatment he got from FTB.
So in summary, I’m pretty worried. You’ve got something pretty good going here, and some thoughtful discussion happening in the comments. (Threaded comments no less, something you’d lose on FTB.) I’m just wondering what you hope you gain by moving to FTB. Is it an income stream? Prestige? Notability? Drive more traffic?
I can’t really add much more to this.
If anyone could raise the quality of discourse there, it’d be Mr Fogg.
But I’m still not convinced – ultimately they’re a bunch of not very stellar bloggers trying to be more than that by jumping on the gender issues bandwagon, and who have done everything to deserve the loss of readership they have endured over the last year.
Wait, so what you’re saying is the freethought blogs have been hammered to the point of desperation. “And in their desperation, they turned to a man they didn’t fully understand” Fogg.
@Sasori:
Ah yes, but Mr Fogg doesn’t wish to watch the world burn, he’s lovely.
Hi Ian. Appreciate your input.
Seems to me though,that the blogs on FTB which actively poke the wasps nest do get pretty messy sometimes. Those which stay out of the broader squabbles tend to have their own community of commenters and there is a distinctly different atmosphere.Are you sure you’re not just talking about the bloggers who carried a hell of lot of their own baggage on to the site with them?
And I looked into the story of “poor Thunderf00t” and have to say I really have no concerns on that front.
If you could tell me that there are other blogs which were havens of constructive good sense and harmony, until they moved to FTB, whereupon they descended into a cesspit of abuse and shit-flinging, then I’d be concerned.
Hi Ally,
Thanks for your response. I think where we’re disagreeing is what being a member of FTB actually means. You’re focussed on “will HetPat still be HetPat on FTB?” whereas I’m concerned what sort of association you’ll be making.
I’m not totally familiar with the UK newspapers, but I’m going to assume that you wouldn’t write for The Sun, even if they asked you. Even though your writing would be your own, you’d have to take some responsibility for appearing opposite a page 3 girl and the kind of messages that sends.
Now I appreciate that FTB isn’t a newspaper – there’s no official editorial direction, but I think it’s a little reductionist to treat it like a value-neutral blogging platform a la wordpress. The fact is, FTB is known by its most prominent bloggers, and they and their communities of commenters have engaged in some pretty nasty behaviour towards good people like Harriet Hall, Paula Kirby, Stef McGraw, DJ Grothe and so on. To quote an Australian movie you’ve probably never seen, it’s the vibe.
For me, and perhaps for others, your joining of FTB would seem like if not an endorsement, at the very least a tacit acceptance of that kind of behaviour. And that just doesn’t seem right.
Regardless of what you choose to do, I want to wish you the very best, and I look forward to the next installment of HP, regardless of where it may be hosted.
One of the things I like here (aside from your wonderful writings of course 😉 is that relatively centrist gender type people get together and talk relatively politely in the comments. Everything I’ve heard about FTB suggests that will either go or require a lot of mod attention to control. At the same time, this is based on what I’ve heard and not my own experience. Either way I’ll be sticking around.
The comment streams are so full of hat on some of those blogs, and it is encouraged by a couple of the big names there. I come to this place because of the neutrality and rationality of the commenters here. you will lose that
If you think it is good for you, Ally, I’ll follow you over there.
My one caution would be – its fine for you at the moment, but things change, and on the Internet they can change quickly. If it all goes pear-shaped over there, and you had to pull back to here, would that wrench lose you (some of) the following you currently have?
But, if you don’t try, you’ll never know. Whatever you decide is good.
An atheist site???!!?!? Ah well, I’ll stay with you even there.
Spend the 25 quid and get yourself a proper website. Domain names can be found as cheap as $2 (on special) if you’re willing to shop around, and basic hosting for like less than $50 a year. Then you’ll not only be able to do whatever you want, however you want, with or without ads as you want (or with a different ad network if you want), but you’ll also have 100% complete control over your online presence.
What happens if, in the future, maybe, this FTB suddenly shuts down? Or gets taken over by the lizardmen? You’ll be forced to move. But, if you have your own domain, you can simply shrug, and point it at your new hosting site.
Seriously, it’s cheap (well, assuming you’re in a first world country and have a steady and stable income), and easy (if you’re using WordPress and Cpanel (or something similar)).
It’s about the control. You should never let someone else be in control of your domain. (WP.com are unlikely to shut you down, but why take the risk? FTB are more likely to disappear, why take the risk?)
It’s going to be an interesting experiment in the comments section, as your blog posts often attract discussion of views which are largely frowned upon on the major FTB blogs. It may bring some new, contrasting, opinions to the network- or it may end up as bloody as the ERV/ Pharengula debacle back on the SB network.
My understanding of the US Skeptic and atheist scene, and admittedly from little I’ve read on the internet, is that it’s pretty unwelcoming to women. Not something I’d like to be associated with. Probably worth considering and looking in to
The amazing Atheist
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist
and this sad tale
http://skepchick.org/2012/06/why-i-wont-be-at-tam-this-year/
Yep, appreciate all that, and without getting into the minutiae, FTB was set up primarily as an attempt to leave that behind.
FTB may have become a rallying point for the intersection of third wave feminism, new atheism and skepticism, but that wasn’t why it was set up. It was largely set up because the corporate owners of Science Blogs were getting uncomfortable about the deeply anti-religious (rather than pro science) tone of several blogs (and their comment threads).
That’s the second time you’ve said that. I’m not sure where you got that idea. FTB certainly has been the epicentre of the Great Atheist Gender Wars but predates them.
Initially it was focussed on the intersection between skepticism and atheism and found momentum with the New Atheist movement of Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins et al.
This kind of forced merger of skepticism with feminism came later, as a reaction to Elevatorgate and the attacks on DJ Grothe and TAM. The only thing that matches your description of “trying to leave that behind” would be the Judean People’s Front, aka Atheism+, who in their own words, thought that ordinary Atheism was too “old, male and white.”
Men, and only men, must now work harder for their privileges in prison:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22341867
I had a weird mix of nausea and hope when I read this, which is the same reaction I got when I heard Glen Poole was joining The Good Men Project. I have a strong suspicion that in both cases someone realized they were doing something wrong and they were ignoring legitimate and vital issues and it was hurting them.
There are a long string of people I know to be rational, civil, and polite to be banned for making comments on FTB that simply did not follow the party line. The question I immediately have is, are they going to be policing your comments section? Are they going to be telling you who is and is not allowed to comment on your blog?
If you can make a few quid, and possibly bring a note of sanity to a place a whole lot of people consider to have done enormous damage to rational thinking and the whole idea of free discourse, then good for you.
I have a nagging suspicion that your comments section will no longer be your own, and that you will be thrown away. Although maybe they’ve learnt a lesson or two and that will not be the case. I hope so.
I’m worried for you, and worried it will signal a shift for you that is not positive, but… I wish you luck, and hope I’ll even be allowed to comment.
Hi Dean
You can’t be banned from FTB, I checked. Each blogger has their own moderation policy and system. If someone has been banned from one blog they can still comment on another.
So even is someone is banned from every other blog on FTB, they’ll still be able to comment on mine. You will certainly be very welcome!
Apart from Greta Christina (some of whose writing on sex work-related issues I’m aware of) and Butterflies and Wheels, I can’t say I recognise/read any of the other blogs/bloggers on FTB. Isn’t there also a more US-centred context than a UK one? Yes, the internet is global, but much of hetpat is about UK-based topics.
No I won’t still visit. But I suspect that might be a bonus for you.
Enjoy the ‘free thought’.
No, that would be a real pity, QRG. Can I ask why you won’t?
Totally anecdotal personal/stereotypical observation:
Most people who describe themselves as “free thinkers” are pretentious dolts who think some freshman banalities are profound.
More importantly…what about that list? I can’t think of many…Chloe Sevigny in Brown Bunny, I’m sure there must have been one in 9 Songs.
Are there eight more?
Ally I found some little dramas on FTB http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/07/01/major-changes-at-freethought-blogs/
Also can you change your blog name to: London Fogg (get it)? AHahahahahha
Also FTB is run by the Illuminati and they probably were behind the lack of Crabbies ginger beer where I live. So.
The main argument I’d say this is a bad idea is that inevitably you’ll find yourself in the midst of a very ugly situation that’s going on in the US sceptical/atheist community that fortunately seems not to have travelled over the Atlantic.
Judging from some of the truly horrendous threads I’ve seen on Pharyngula and Butterflies and Wheels, this is what I’d be worried about happening – lots of people coming on to demand censorship (though of course that isn’t how it will be presented), lots of dogpiling in the comments, and maybe even some smearing/unsubstantiated allegations. There’s a lot of drama there that will almost inevitably spill over into your blog.
Less dramatically, it’s also inevitable that you’ll start seeing the discussion dominated by US concerns, about which us limeys are limited in understanding (think people talking about frats and sororities and having not the slightest clue what’s going on!).
All in all, I’d strongly recommend steering well clear just for the sake of your own sanity. But I would completely understand why the idea is attractive, and I wouldn’t blame you in the slightest for making the move.
These have been my main concerns too FD. It is what I gave most thought to.
As I hinted at in this article, I’m really not remotely interested in the internal bickering / politicking and personal squabbles of the North American skeptics. I have no intention of developing such an interest. I have a broad sense that if I had to pick a side, I’d generally be on the side of the folks at FTB, but that’s about as involved in it as I would get. So I honestly believe there won’t be a huge amount of purchase for anyone on any side who wants to drag me into that stuff. They’ve got plenty other blogs there where they can work through their issues if they need to.
i won’t suddenly lose interest in UK-focus, and discussed that with them. They want more diverse subjects covered there, and it is one of the reasons they invited me, I think. I’ll continue to be interested in and feel the need to discuss things happening in UK news and also across the broad media and blogosphere, as I always have.
Go for it Ally and good luck to you if you make a few quid out of it. For idealism doesn’t pay the bills. I’ll certainly have a look at FTB but if debates on it are generally either/or high falutin,intellectualized and elitist it may not be my thing.All the best with it anyway.
the good news is you need never venture beyond the confines of my space if it doesn’t appeal!
Nah,think i’ll give it a miss !
Sorry Ally that previous reply of mine came across as more abrupt than it was meant to be.A kneejerk reaction to my first visit to FTB..
Good luck with your new site .
I’d never come across FTB before, so thanks for bringing it to my attention. And having spent the last hour or so browsing some of its blogs my view is that if you move there you’ll almost certainly get lost in a jumble of all kinds of peculiar life philosophies. Just the sheer size of the place is off-putting to me.
You say:
I agree with you about the “feminist site”, but whether you think it or not, there are some who feel this is most certainly a men’s rights site more than anything else, and I’m one of them. Your defence of the OK Cupid dating site is a case in point, about which I wrote at the time – So really what we have here is another piece for men who are against female equality, by a recent convert to the “what about the menz” cause. Quite how that will go down with the strong feminist bloggers at FTB is for you to decide, but I suspect it might become very uncomfortable.
I’d also be concerned about what is clearly a strong “editorial control” as pointed out in the second post above from danielleparadis, although again I have neither the time or inclination to study the reasons why two of FTB’s bloggers were banned. But it does sound a little too close to CiF’s moderation police for my liking.
My final observation from the limited time I spent on FTB was that the quality of the articles and the posts in response to them, could in no way compare with those here. This might be a reflection of the US online culture, as femdelusion suggests, but whatever it is, if it’s true, again I think you might find yourself in a minority of one.
Your call.
Well, you already know my thoughts on the matter, but I’ll offer them anyway: I’d love to see you join! To the commenters who are concerned that Ally would get drawn into existing “drama” at FtB, I doubt it. There are many bloggers on the network who don’t participate in it at all, and there are bloggers like me who care about it and have a vested interest but choose to write about other things.
In any case, make the decision that feels right for you! We think you’re great regardless. 🙂
Oh well, I reckon my thoughts are pretty similar to Dr Elly’s in the sense that I’ve been trying to contribute in good faith, but don’t feel particularly welcome or accepted here so why make the move?
A move to FTB might pick up a few members of the ‘Young Feminist Twitter Army,’ tho, so there’s always an upside.
Sorry if you feel like that, but I assure you your contributions have always been welcomed here, and would continue to be welcomed at FTB
Like Elly, your contributions are not always agreed with, by me at least, but please don’t think that doesn’t mean they’re not welcome. That’s not the same thing at all.
Oh, sorry, Ally, just being a bit paranoid in which case. (BTW, if youre looking for ‘controversial’ subject matter, you might want to check out this concept that a man can go to a woman’s prison with ‘gender dysphoria’ if they have lived as a woman for 2 years and they apply for a certificate): –
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21788238
Just came across it recently and was amazed.
Amazed by what?
I don’t see the format matters that much. Ally is easily one of the best and most respected writers on issues of gender on the web, for me that’s going to shine through in any context. Sure youll get a few trolls but they crop up in any setting. More power to him if he can earn a few quid out of it as well. Guardian in-housers like Kettle and Harris & needless to say the Melanie Phillips of this world are overpaid in comparison..
No Top Ten Movie Blowjobs? If that isn’t a Masonic plot then I don’t know what is. More seriously, good luck with the new(-ish) endeavour. Pleasure to read your work on here or the Graun, and I look forward to visiting yer new home.
May be on Ally’s new blog he can discuss this Danish T.V. show :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2318202/Is-sexist-TV-programme-history-Chat-women-strip-men-critique-naked-bodies.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
That would get people going! :-p
Ok well have checked out the FtB blogs now and I can’t say I’m too impressed. Most are eccentric bordering on sensationalist, if you try to find any down-to-earth writers there youre stuffed! Loads of culture wars going on, rather have a nice cup of char, ta very much.
Still keep up with the Twitter feed, I’ll dip a toe in the water but if it gets too Jerry Springer then think I’ll give it a miss thank you kindly.
Well, I googled top-ten movie blowjobs and found top-ten movie blowjobs, so sorry for the very late reply… what was the question again?
Sorry to hear you decided to throw your reputation in the trash by joining FreethoughtBlogs.
Never heard of it. What’s wrong with it?
Bad move, FfTB is the home of censorious hypocrites like PZ Myers and Ophelia Benson. Tony Blair may well be a cunt too, but try saying that on FTB and see how you go.
Exactly. The first so-called “unacceptable” thing that is said will cause PZ’s, Ophelia’s, Stephanie’s and Greta’s lunatic commentariat to swoop in and commence looting and pillaging the comment sections. But I guess PZ has to do *something* to generate controversy and page hits – several decent FTB bloggers have already thrown up their hands in despair and moved to Patheos or elsewhere, and several other blogs still on FTB have been idle for some time now. The blogs that stay away from the hysteria-generating nonsense tend to go unnoticed and mostly unread.
FTB is a blog network that is only profitable to those bloggers who are willing to swallow (and rabidly advocate) the network’s peculiar “If you’re not with us 100% you’re a rapist or rape apologist” Kool-Aid of atheist radical feminism. Unfortunately, hetpat is going to be severely diminished and tainted by his choice to associate with these people.
You might want to read NonStampCollectors last post, he didn’t leave because of the drama or anything but gives a good overview of the depth of potty anti-FTB crap u will get.
perhaps this is rhetorical more than ideological…
but as an Amercian, or as the rest of the world call us-American’ts…
I must say FreeThoughtsBlogs feels like the Patriot Act–anything but…
oh, well…
this’ll be interesting…
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